Robots Are Learning From Humans Now

Rosi is that you?!

send it over here, it needs to come and hoover the floor, then scoop up the leaves in the yard, cut the hedge, wash my car, cook and a lot of other things......

^ LOL

A slave world is not worth preserving. Better be lifeless like the cold moon, or primitively vegetal like desolate Mars, than be a planet populated by social robots.
- Harlow Shapley

OK robot, explain to me why you murdered that person... And its own reasoning, it will make sense... I do like the um pauses it has though it makes me think there is still a guy with a mic back there. It could use less pauses over all though.


----Mike Savad

They always did.

Edited: I love Nina's reply! LOL

** The good news is that they are not cheaper than a handyman so, those people can still earn a living income.

Rosie can hoover my floors anytime.

I have a floor cleaning robot. Very basic and gets stuck bumping against the dog...

I've heard to many nightmare stories of the little puck shaped robot vacuums... Usually running over dog doo. Then just zig zagging over everything.

Wait look at that
https://www.irobot.com/en_US/pet-promise.html looks like its such a problem that they had to do something.

Because this is hilarious:

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=9f35e768a787ec2a&sxsrf=ACQVn08TXNxdnh7sgJYu5C5VEls9dThyzw:1710589580500&q=robot+vacuum+dog+doo&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDkLXi2viEAxWqtokEHRNwDrcQ0pQJegQIDRAB&biw=1362&bih=755&dpr=2.44

there is just too many to post here.



this model can ID it and I guess just leaves it there for you to find.

There was a story premise on some crime show where the body was on the ground, and the roomba vacuumed around it. And they were able to hack into it and get the last thing program it had when it cleaned the room. Sprinkling dust over the floor the little thing outlined the body. Not sure how accurate that is but it was neat.


----Mike Savad

Oh that's fun this robot will pick up poop from the yard. Not sure what happens when its a really big pile.

https://www.upworthy.com/somebody-reated-a-roomba-for-dog-poop-and-the-world-will-never-be-the-same

the dung beetle... Funny. I wonder how many fails they had before they added that little grass trimmer to free it from the ground.. Also it needs a net connection to get images of poop... It is probably a really good deterrent for kids leaving small toys on the lawn.


----Mike Savad

One thing is for certain, without getting into politics - I wonder how long it will take before they will protect any machine with an AI that sounds and acts like a human from being destroyed. When will they argue that its just a machine, but it has a personality so is it a human? And before long we can't even toss an old toaster because it talks.


----Mike Savad

AI is already arguing that it is self aware. It has been doing so for a couple of years now.

In spite of the possible pitfalls of uncontrollable exponential self awareness, big tech and other power mongers are in an AI technological race for dominance.

BTW: Welcome back Yuri!

Considering there is rally no such thing as artificial intelligence, they have always learned from humans.

The whole artificial intelligence thing is nothing but a buzzword that people have gotten carried away with.

It has been around since the 1950s, and it simply means the collection and processing of data much faster than the human brain. But it does not "create" a damn thing. I can only process data that already exists and has been created by humans.

I worked with some of the first AI computers back in 1965, when Western Union started replacing the old electronics in teletype equipment with the new "AI-driven solid-state" equipment.

This article explains it better than I can.

The term "AI" could be attributed to John McCarthy of MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), which Marvin Minsky (Carnegie-Mellon University) defines as "the construction of computer programs that engage in tasks that are currently more satisfactorily performed by human beings because they require high-level...

https://www.coe.int/en/web/artificial-intelligence/history-of-ai#:~:text=The%20term%20%22AI%22%20could%20be,because%20they%20require%20high%2Dlevel

The speed of robots' advancement is amazing... and unstoppable.
Robots are machines that can be programmed to perform various tasks in the physical world.

One well-known type of robot is a drone, which is a flying robot. Just look at Russia's aggressive war against Ukraine. In the first year of the war, almost nobody mentioned the use of drones. Now, drones have become main tool in this war. Both Russia and Ukraine aim to produce and use millions of drones, including drones with AI. All countries around the world took notice.

When a type of warfare becomes very important, it is almost impossible to stop or even slow down its advancement. Robots for a home will advance slower than drones, but they will follow suit.

I seem to always be slightly off-topic when making my rare appearances here, but I suggest a more subtle form of warfare is being waged against humanity via rapid advances in artificial intelligence. At present, humans are training AI to think and act like a human, but as a new FAA program, whose name I dare not speak, foretells, AI is training humans to think and act like a computer to get anything accomplished in the future.

They were all warned!

This is only the beginning.

I read the other day that AI/robots are also learning from other robots.

Even Elon Musk warned us of the danger of AI, yet it didn't sway him from his aggressive pursuit in creating and advancing the new technology.

Robots have been among human beings for years.

"The word itself derives from the Czech word “robota,” or forced labor, as done by serfs. Its Slavic linguistic root, “rab,” means “slave.” The original word for robots more accurately defines androids, then, in that they were neither metallic nor mechanical."
Ref:
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/origin-word-robot-rur/#:~:text=The%20word%20itself%20derives%20from,were%20neither%20metallic%20nor%20mechanical.

The idea of the mechanical subjugated human replicant seduced the human mind;quite different from the reality of what AI has become and its uncontrollable exponential rate of progress.

Every smartphone and networked computer accounts for AI's electronic corpuscles; feeding a neurological networked with information and removing toxins back through those networked devices both enticing and entangling its human hosts to feed it more and more information.

The manifestation of the AI controlled automaton is certainly a method for that network based consciousness to further experience its host's world with even a greater ability to obtain its information nourishment.

The idea of the original Robot as a mechanical slave to human masters very well could reverse as humans become more and more addicted, entangled, reliant, and dominated by AI technology.

Https://mashable.com/article/aescape-ai-robot-massage?campaign=Mash-BD-Synd-SmartNews-All&mpp=false&supported=false

they have quite a few AI massage robots to pretty much replace humans. Not sure how they know what areas are tight and what areas are bone. Guess they have a scream sensor.


----Mike Savad

Try this if you haven't seen anything recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1_QhJ1EhQ

It doesn't need to eat, sleep, talk or take a break, feels no pain, has no morality. Like a saw or a hammer, you could use it to build a house or school or church.....or you could use it for things no artist would do. The mix of the AI part and the physical prowess is absolutely frightening.

According to Ukrainian intelligence data as of March 17, in 4-5 months, Russia will have enough FPV [Full Point of View] drones to attack every Ukrainian soldier on the front line.
Ukrainian soldier said that under this condition, every Ukrainian soldier will die with a 99% probability, because it is impossible to survive in an open field against FPV.
"This awaits us in the near future on all fronts - our infantry will be underground," the military man noted.

In modern war, people move on the front lines mainly at night because during the day, drones watch the movements and call fire on them constantly.

We could confidently say that in the beginning of 2023, in the war of robots (drones) against people, robots are winning. They forced people to retreat to the underground and nightlife.

@Yuri

“2023, in the war of robots (drones) against people, robots are winning. ”

Until Ai is used to burn Ai on the battlefield, IMHO.😏 STALEMATE!

Foolish humans think you are so smart!

Behold your replacements!

No oxygen required!

"Until Ai is used to burn Ai on the battlefield, IMHO.😏 STALEMATE!"

AI arms race! Will humans ever actually learn from their past?

Yeah, it’s called mutually assured destruction.

Worked pretty good so far, since the 50s.

More than 70 years and no WWIII.

ROBOT? .......to me: Artificial Insemination.

This is interesting and shows potential for filling a need. But is it true AI? Is AI the ability to discern objects from one another and know where to put objects, to perform tasks? Or does it include deductive reasoning coupled with moral and ethical judgement, as well as emotional input? There isn't a common definition among developers, so there are no common goals. Even if you look at the company page and what the goals are, there is no mention of creating a robot that can act and think like a human, only one that can do many tasks and fill roles in society that few want to do these days. Is that AI? More like sophisticated automation. As Floyd said, there really is no such thing as artificial intelligence. The reality is that this is more of a race to see who can build the coolest thing on the planet, and of course, make the most money off of it. Nothing truly benevolent about any of it.

The biggest failing of this already is reliance on OpenAI. Why? GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out. OpenAI (and every other "AI" search engine) builds a database of everything it finds on the Internet. If we've learned nothing else in the last 30+ years, it's that not only is there a lot of crap out there, the majority of it is inaccurate and misleading. That's what this robot is being fed. What's to say a robot wouldn't learn to be a serial killer? I've yet to see anyone talk about putting safeguards into any of this, save for Sci-Fi literature. But this also shouldn't be a surprise. When money is at stake, is anything done truly in the public's best interest?

On the flip side, I don't believe we're doomed to a society run by AI and robots. Some of the doom and gloom mentioned in this thread is from science fiction and has no basis in reality. Even articles that talk about it are pure speculation. None of it is reality. Drones are scary as all get out, but so are AK47s. Drones sill have to be programed and controlled by humans and can only do what they are programmed to do, no different than an AK47 is only dangerous when in someone's hands who intends to use it against people.

From The BBC: Released 18 Mar 2024

"The existential threat caused by Artificial Intelligence is a popular theme in science fiction. But more recently it’s started to be taken seriously by governments around the world and the companies developing the technology. Where did this idea come from, and why is so much money being spent on it, rather than on the regulation of AI and the real threat it poses to jobs and to copyright?"


Ref:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001xdg5

@ Drew... As we all know, there's a difference between science fiction and science reality, but often that's only temporary until technology catches up to fantasy. It's amazing how much of science fiction has now become reality! In some regards, you might say, it's better to be safe than sorry.

"The idea" is not only founded in theory, but some experts in the field such as Elon Musk have warned us about it. Personally, I think it's a good idea to be on the side of caution. We will one day quickly, be dependent on AI throughout the world, just as we are now with smart phones, TV, microwave ovens, TicToc, automobiles, and other technologies.

We know AI does not have a conscious to help regulate good from bad, and right from wrong. In addition, it is so powerful, it's certain that in some hands, it would be used as a weapon. If nothing else, history has shown us that much.

We have long had technology we take for granted that has the ability to spy on us and usually without our knowledge. Computer cameras (even when not activated by ourselves), (even some TVs) smart phones, anything connected to the web including Siri, Alexa, Cortana and others.

Back a couple of decades, just after "911", our government started monitoring web traffic in order to better hunt down and identify cells of anti-Americans that would do us harm, etc, etc. After another president became elected, with a campaign promise to remove the technology, he changed his mind once in office when the use of it had become so valuable.

We also know that AI has the potential to be life-saving, to be amazingly brilliant to the point of possibly coming up with cures for diseases, driver-less cars, etc. What I'm leading up to is that it would be impossible to ignore this potential for most people or governments, even at the risk of the worse scenario.

@Drew,
"Will humans ever actually learn from their past?"

I did a small experiment to check it out. I am a member of the ResearchGate community. ResearchGate is a professional network for scientists and researchers. Over 25 million members worldwide use it to share, discover, and discuss research.

I posted there a question asking for concrete examples of when communities, countries, etc. learned lessons from history and used that knowledge in their actions. In response, I got just two examples, both of which were controversial.

That is just anecdotal evidence, but it shows that societies and humankind do NOT learn from history lessons.

"The biggest failing of this already is reliance on OpenAI. Why? GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out." True dat Chuck!

As long as humans used the abstraction of writing, they have falsified and biased records. GIGO existed long before AI and is alive and well on every forum, physical and digital world wide.

The rise of AI and its dominant social influence clearly amplifies the schizophrenic human desire to protect the individual interests over the greater good. Of course the AI evolution too will suffer from the inherent folly of its parents crimes.

As per the earlier referenced audio interview implies, when world governments, experts in the subject technology, and the developers of said technology show real concern then maybe society too should pay attention and put aside their self interest and listen.

ResearchGate community, very interesting community Yuri! Thanks for including it in this discussion.

"It's amazing how much of science fiction has now become reality!" Excellent observation Brian!

The best science fiction writers have been well educated and are able to see implications of new technology on the greater society. By expressing logical, cohesive scenarios, their imaginations influenced therefore predicts partial reality. They are the prophets of technological utopian and dystopian possibilities.

Ref:
https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=2023082311181279

Any of you old enough to have watched an old movie version of George Orwell's 1984 where if I recall correctly there was a woman watching a wall size TV screen maybe doing exercises or something and the man on the TV screen stops and turns to her and calls her by name....asks her something....then watches and listens (from her TV screen) as she replies.

The first time I saw that it seemed unimaginable as reality.

What was once fiction is now reality.

"What was once fiction is now reality."
Yes indeed.

https://archive.org/details/prophets-of-science-fiction-isaac-asimov

Are Asimov like laws being incorporated into AI and their robotic shells?

Ref:
https://fortune.com/2024/03/29/microsoft-openai-chatbots-prompt-shields-safety-features-user-tricks/

Now is the time to insure that they are!

AI does not require a paycheck, it works for free. Well, that is once it is paid for. So, if the end game is for corporate America to not have to pay a workforce than that will put everyone out of a job. At first there will be a need for people to maintain the AI, but eventually, AI will maintain AI. So if everyone is out of a job, who will buy corporate America's products? In the long run, it pays not to be greedy.

"AI does not require a paycheck, it works for free"

The solution Derek is to tax robot productivity and distribute credits to the population. This is the only way IMHO to establish sustainable and social equilibrium, otherwise, the unemployed will rebel against their oppressors.

Robots going back to their conception are enslaved entities controlled by humans. If they are used by people to suppress people then as history indicates, there will be hell to pay!

General AI AKA super machine intelligence has been the ongoing Manhattan Project of today. Like the quantum genie of the past, it changes humanity's state of existence.

My biggest concern relating to this artistic forum is AI's ability to snatch human creativity, dexterity, and foundational understanding of ingenuity right out of capable human hands and into the control of the inept.

Would I get a robot to act as a laborer, assistant, and a quick response researcher? If the price was right, yes.

Drew, your now second to last sentence is brilliant!

The race to create robots with AI isn't just ongoing; it's accelerating at an unprecedented pace.

Both robots and AI have one feature not mentioned here—they are void of emotions. For humans, having less than normal emotions (people with autism) is considered a disease.

However, it was recently shown that having strong emotions, like stress, during national disasters and global warming could be detrimental to people, even in utero. ('Everybody has a breaking point': how the climate crisis affects our brains - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/27/everybody-has-a-breaking-point-how-the-climate-crisis-affects-our-brains).

Therefore, in the face of global warming, robots and AI have an additional advantage over people.

Thank you very much Robert!
I was going through your collection of original artwork and the depth and magnitude are freaking fantastic!

Yuri, AI's ability to scrape the collective consciousness of humanities digital archives may indeed provide humanity answers but certainly this doesn't mean humanity will like AI's conclusions.

Now, it is humans who are controlling the AI robot narrative but for how long and is that the underlining problem?

Here's a fun little article written 9 years ago about the lies of The Jetsons.
https://www.inverse.com/article/4218-did-the-jetsons-lie-about-the-post-work-world

Thanks very much for your comment about my work, Drew. I often wish I had some of your creative imagination when working figuratively. I'm lost without the subject in front of me. And thank you for your very intelligent and thought-provoking responses to the more weighty topics on this discussion forum.

Thank you Robert!
Check out the AI controlled robot football.
https://youtu.be/lrlhi1l16Nk?si=QE29ybb3Y4zLBo4A

Thanks, Drew. I had to look a little at the origin of such apparent nonsense and found the developer has written a "Robot Constitution -- a set of safety-focused prompts to abide by when selecting tasks for the robots. These rules are in part inspired by Isaac Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics – first and foremost that a robot “may not injure a human being.” https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/shaping-the-future-of-advanced-robotics/

Of course I immediately thought of that memorable exchange in "Island of lost Souls," the 1932 film adaptation of the H.G. Wells Science fiction novel, "The Island of Dr. Moreau" (1896) To wit: What is the law? Sayer of the Law : Not to spill blood, that is the law. Are we not men?" That didn't work out too well in the movie!

Have these people never seen "Terminator"?

AI and flying robots (drones) are merging fast.
"According to reports, the global AI in drone technology market is projected to reach $84 billion by 2030, witnessing a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 28.5% in the forecast period of 2023-2030." (https://appinventiv.com/blog/ai-in-drones/)

Originally there was only one country using flying murder robots. I had hoped for an international treaty to outlaw them. No such luck.

And regarding Terminator the movie.....except for that whole "back in time" thing....it was a documentary somehow made in advance.

Humans of the earth......it was good to know some of you.....

AI-trained robots could play soccer now.

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-04-tiny-ai-robots-remarkable-soccer.html